The Truth About ADHD in Adults: Harvard’s Dr. Chris Palmer Explains the Research

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And I watched him turn into the Hulk when they put him on Vyvanse, and then I watched him drop off the Adderall cliff at the end of the day, and I saw our 12-year-old, literally, I'm going to start crying when I think about this. I literally saw the light going out in him, and thankfully he's like, I'm not taking this. I'm just not taking this. Because the only thing that was being offered to us is to keep him in school. You have to medicate him to have him sit still and it was awful. And you're here to say there's something else you can do. What else can you do?

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:29:07):

There are so many things we can do, and I mean hearing your story and your son's story, it's heartbreaking because I know there are hundreds of thousands of other people, if not millions of other people just like that. There are so many parents who are being told, you must medicate your child in order to keep him in school. He is a problem.

 

Mel Robbins (00:29:33):

I said that to him too. I was like, you have to take this. It's not an option for you.

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:29:39):

The heartbreaking thing is that kids internalize the message that they are a problem. They're not getting the message that there is a problem with your brain metabolism, honey. And this is something we can address. It's not your fault. Your brain metabolism isn't working right, and the evidence for that is your inability to sit still and pay attention and do all these other things. And we can fix this.

 

Mel Robbins (00:30:09):

Oh, don't you just love hearing a doctor say, we can fix this. And there's a way in which he speaks that I believe him. And let's just take a minute and underline how incredible and ballsy it is for Harvard's Dr. Palmer to say, we can fix ADHD. There's just a little issue in your brain and how it's metabolizing stuff. As soon as he said that, you know what I did? I was like, I'm in. And I bet you're into. Well, here's what we got to do. We got to take a quick break to hear a word from our sponsors because our amazing sponsors helped me bring this life-changing information to you at zero cost. But when we come back, you're going to hear how Dr. Palmer says you can improve ADHD with a diet, and he's going to give you the protocol he recommends for anyone struggling with ADHD.

 

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So don't you dare go anywhere. I'm going to be waiting for you after a short break. Welcome back. I'm Mel Robbins. I'm so thrilled you're taking the time to listen to this interview that we did here in our Boston Studios with Harvard's Dr. Chris Palmer. Now, before the break, Dr. Palmer just shared his belief that the root cause of ADHD is a metabolic issue. And honestly, his argument is making a lot of sense to me. And as I think about my life with ADHD and my kids who have ADHD, I'm really grabbing onto this, and I loved it when he said, you can fix this. So let's get back into the interview where I'm now starting to connect the dots on just how empowering this is. What's so liberating about this as I'm processing what you're saying is that you're right. When you get handed a diagnosis, you think, oh, this just is how it is. I am just somebody that will have anxiety for the rest of my life. I'm somebody that will struggle with ADHD. Oh, I'm dyslexic. It just is what it is. And you are saying that while that may be true right now, the dyslexia, the ADHD, any of these neurodivergent diagnoses that you tend to then have somebody throw medication at you. You're here to say that I completely lost my train of thought because I'm getting so emotional about this, but you're basically here to tell us that it's not is what it is.

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:32:32):

It's not a permanent life. It's not a permanent condition ADHD can helped. We can help people heal and recover. There are some neurodevelopmental conditions that are permanent and that are likely not changeable. So people who lack social skills, they don't take a pill and all of a sudden have great social skills. And then when the pill wears off, their social skills go away again. They permanently have a difference in their social skills that is likely not going to change even if we change their brain metabolism.

 

Mel Robbins (00:33:18):

Are you referring to somebody who might be on the autism spectrum? Yes. So what will happen though, if you improve a person who has been diagnosed on the autism spectrum and has difficulty making social connection or reading social cues, what will happen though if you improve their metabolism?

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:33:42):

So people who are on the spectrum almost always have comorbid DSM diagnostic labels. About 50% will have ADHD. Many of them will have seizures, 60% will have depression and anxiety symptoms. Most of them have OCD symptoms because they're embedded into the diagnostic criteria for autism. A study just came out two weeks ago. 10% will go on to develop schizophrenia. Wow. People with autism have essentially higher rates of all of the mental health conditions. So although we may not be able to change their social skills, if we improve their brain metabolism, we can improve many of those other symptoms. We can reduce their ADHD symptoms. We can improve their capacity to learn. We can improve their mood and energy, reduce their anxiety, make them feel better, think better, be more positive, have more energy. It can make profound differences in their lives. If we intervene early enough before social skill development is complete,

 

Mel Robbins (00:35:02):

And what age is that?

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:35:04):

The earlier the better. So social skills start developing from birth. If we know that there are problems, the sooner we can intervene with brain metabolism strategies, we might be able to reduce symptoms or improve symptoms or modify the course of illness. But after childhood, people have either learned social skills or they haven't, or they've learned different social skills. It's not that it's all or nothing, but there are differences, and those differences are going to be difficult if not impossible change, and we shouldn't expect to change them.

 

Mel Robbins (00:35:40):

I would imagine if you achieve a reduction of feelings of depression or bouts of anxiety, that though makes somebody feel remarkably better, even if they're not connecting socially with people. You know what I'm saying?

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:36:00):

No doubt about it. And let me be clear, there are many people who are autistic who have tremendous strengths and invaluable traits to the human species. Some of our most notable geniuses, billionaire businessmen, and others are supposedly on the spectrum. And we as a society would not be thriving in the ways that we are if we didn't have Albert Einstein, if we didn't have other current ones, I won't name names, but other current ones who have self-disclosed that they have received that label when they were young because sometimes it comes with benefits. It doesn't always though there are people who are on the spectrum who have to live in group homes, who are unable to care for themselves, who are having seizures, who have profound cognitive impairment, who are injuring themselves repetitively. And I believe that using metabolic treatment strategies, we can help those people. We can help those people live better lives, maybe live more independently function at a higher level.

 

Mel Robbins (00:37:19):

I'm intrigued by the fact that you said that ADHD is not a condition that you're stuck with forever because I have believed that it is. And I have brought that into marriage counseling multiple times. Like, I'm sorry, honey, I'm just going to leave my Kleenexes on the counter. And my vanity in the bathroom is always going to look like somebody shot all of my makeup out of a cannon right on top of the sink. I am forgetful. All of that stuff thought there was no hope. But you're saying there is. So how does improving my brain metabolism help with either inattention or hyperactivity?

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:38:03):

It helps with both. So improving brain metabolism is about helping those brain regions that are underactive become more active. And at the same time, if there are brain regions that are overactive, it helps them normalize their activity so that they aren't hyper excitable or overactive at the end of the day in a very practical concrete way to someone like you, I would first ask the question, do you really want to change?

 

Mel Robbins (00:38:37):

No. Well, I mean, I don't know. I don't know what it would feel like to be me if I didn't have ADHD as part of my identity. And maybe what I'm realizing as I'm talking to you in this confessional Dr. Palmer,

 

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Is that I use it as an excuse to not have to pay attention, to not have to slow down to be responsible for the fact that I am a little bit chaotic both internally in my thoughts and externally. And if I'm being honest, I know that if I work out, for example, and it's one of those workouts where somebody's yelling at you and you're really going for it, and you get that kind of chemical rush that Dr. John Rad, probably one of your colleagues calls Miracle grow for the brain, that I have the same experience of being able to hyperfocus for about an hour and a half after I exercise as if I had taken Adderall,

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:39:45):

Which is perfect,

 

Mel Robbins (00:39:47):

But I don't want to have to exercise like that every morning. But it's easier to take it at or not.

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:39:53):

Well, and again, I'm just being honest. So both of those are strategies to address brain metabolism. So you're using effective strategies, a stimulant and exercise. Both of those are directly influencing your brain metabolism. You are noticing some benefit. I want to come back to the bigger question that I asked you, do you want to change? Because at the end of the day,

 

Mel Robbins (00:40:21):

I want to stop feeling frustrated. And I think when I was younger and certainly watching our son struggle, you do feel like there's something wrong with you. I see a direct connection between the undiagnosed ADHD and the inability for me to either pay attention in class or focus when I needed to focus, and the fact that mentally I just felt like there was something wrong with me and anxiety started to develop, and that became the overriding thing that I felt and that people could see. And so I was medicated for anxiety for 25 years until I got this diagnosis around ADHD, and I'm like, wait a minute. Maybe it wasn't anxiety as the core issue after all, maybe it was this inability to focus and what you're actually offering is a deeper epiphany that maybe it's not actually ADHD. Maybe it's my brain metabolizes differently than other people. And when I pay attention to that in myself or in our son, because he doesn't take medication, he has not taken medication since he was 13. He changed his diet, he's more active. It's as if his entire brain changed.

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:41:58):

That's a perfect example of what I'm here to say. So at the end of the day, you are going to be hard pressed to convince me that your ADHD has ruined or impaired your life. You are a ridiculously successful woman who has a full life with a family, a career impact. And I would never want you to think that your ADHD has stood in the way your ADHD symptoms may be the reason you have achieved as much as you have. And so although the teachers may have said, this is bad, stop behaving this way, smarten up, read faster. What's wrong with you? Why didn't you comprehend that book the way everybody else did? Why can't you sit still? Why are you always trying to show off? Why are you always looking for attention? Now, those very traits may actually be what are fueling your success. And I would really hate to see you medicate away your success so that you can become a mediocre human being. What Dr. Palmer, we don't want that.

 

Mel Robbins (00:43:29):

Wow. Well, I'm on the other side of it.

 

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So let's also put into context, I'm now 55 and I have been utilizing medication. And what's interesting is I only take it in environments where I think I need it. I didn't take medication this morning. I knew that we would be doing this interview and being in an environment with lights on and microphones, I feel so focused because my adrenaline is going that the metabolism is probably different than if I'm just trying to get stuff done around the house. And so I want to go back though to somebody who feels like their inability to pay attention or their inability to be still is causing anxiety. It is creating a ruckus in their life. Because having practiced for 30 years, you have seen plenty of people where ADHD is not fueling their success because it's out of control. So based on the energy brain theory and 30 years as a Harvard psychiatrist, what are the new research supported breakthroughs in terms of what you would tell somebody listening to implement immediately if they or somebody that they love is in the category of really kind of struggling with a brain that is not metabolizing correctly and it's showing up as ADHD.

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:45:09):

So if the symptoms are clearly interfering with ability to function

 

Mel Robbins (00:45:13):

And what does that look like

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:45:15):

If it's a child, let's say, not doing well in school at all, getting very poor grades, getting into trouble all the time, has trouble keeping friends even because friends feel like he's too wild, he's out of control. He doesn't sit still, he's always getting into trouble. I want to stay away from him. So this kid feels dumb, feels like he's a troublemaker because all the teachers are telling him that.

 

Mel Robbins (00:45:46):

Or a weirdo

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:45:46):

Or a weirdo and all the other kids are even agreeing. And certainly if the parents and the family feel the same way, you're just a troublemaker. Why can't you sit still? Why don't you do what you're told? Then I would say, okay, things aren't going well for this kid. So we have all of the basic treatment options still on the table. Psychotherapy, behavioral interventions, cognitive behavioral therapy, all those things and stimulants and a couple of other medications, those are all on the table. And those may all play a role, but again, they may or may not work. For some people, they can make the condition even worse. Now they're interfering with your sleep or they're making kids a different person, a monster. So if that's case, but I would argue even before you get to medications, let's do a common sense assessment of some basic lifestyle factors.

 

Mel Robbins (00:46:50):

Is anyone else thinking at this point in the conversation, why the heck didn't I hear this a decade ago? I mean, that's what I was thinking. And I'm sure you wish you have heard this information earlier too, but let me tell you something, you're hearing it now so you can be empowered by the information. So let's hear a quick word from our sponsors. They bring this to you at zero cost, and when we come back, we're going to jump back into the conversation where Dr. Palmer will break this down step by step so you can apply this to your life when we return. Welcome back. I'm Mel. I'm so glad you're here with me. We're talking to Harvard's, Dr. Chris Palmer, and right before the break, Dr. Palmer was outlining the fact that there are all different types of options when you're dealing with a neurodivergent condition like ADHD.

 

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And one of the things that he said before you jump to medication, consider his metabolic theory and use diet and lifestyle changes as a way to improve neurodivergent symptoms that people feel from conditions like ADHD. Now, I was all in that moment and I wanted him to break down. Okay, well great, happy to try that. Glad I know about this, but where do we start? How do we get going on this? So let's jump right back into the conversation and listen to Dr. Palmer break down exactly what he means when he says, improving your diet and lifestyle choices.

Mel Robbins (00:49:05):

I think it's even more important than that because I have never been in a psychiatrist, psychologist, neuropsych evaluation therapist's office where the first thing that somebody asks is, well, what are you eating and how much exercise are you getting? And there's typically a question about screen time at the end and to kind of limit it, but not from a metabolic standpoint. The conversation is always like, how do you feel? What are you thinking about? What do you want to talk about today? And you are talking about physical changes in your lifestyle that have a direct research back impact on your brain's metabolism, which impacts ADHD and anything,

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:49:50):

Yes, that what we're eating is affecting the way your brain functions, which may in fact be playing a role in what you're thinking, how pessimistic or how optimistic you are, whether you have crippling depression or anxiety, or whether you have mild depression or anxiety, or whether you have mild concentration problems or not, or whether you're happy and healthy and that we need comprehensive human healthcare. We need to look at the whole person and we need to understand that what they're putting into their mouth and whether they're sleeping at night and whether they're on screens, what they're doing affects their brain too.

 

Mel Robbins (00:50:30):

This makes so much sense because we know it in the opposite, right? If I come home from a stressful week of work and I make a beeline for one of those burgers that you need both hands to hold, and as you squeeze it in on the brioche bun, it starts dripping grease down your arms, and I'm like, and I'm eating the fries, and then I slug it down with a beer. What do I feel like after that? I feel like a human job of the hut. I just want to slither down into my chair. I am low energy lay in there, and the thing that I put in my mouth absolutely changes the energy in my body and the way that my brain is functioning. And so from a common sense standpoint, this makes perfect sense.

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I also want to be respectful of people's dietary preferences and choices. So if you want to be vegan or vegetarian or omnivore or whatever, you can do that. However, there are some common themes. So if you have a child with very severe kind of neurodiversity that's really interfering with life, if maybe they have ADHD and they're a little bit on the spectrum and they've got some learning disorder issues and other things, one thing to consider would be an elimination diet. 

Mel Robbins (00:53:00):

I just want to be clear that I'm tracking. You're basically saying that if you have a child with ADHD, or even if you are an adult that suspects that this could be you simply trying an elimination diet, that by removing certain food groups and seeing how you respond from a metabolism standpoint, you could a dramatic reduction in mental health symptoms or focus symptoms because your thesis and all your research is that anything that your body is processing, it is either going to be good energy or it could really interfere with the energy that your brain needs. And when that happens, you start to have these symptoms of being neuro divergent. Is that what you're saying?

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:53:53):

Yes.

 

Mel Robbins (00:53:53):

So if you are allergic to gluten and you're eating gluten, it could cause ADHD symptoms. It could cause anxiety, it could cause you to feel depressed. And simply figuring that out could actually alleviate those symptoms

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:54:05):

A hundred percent.

 

Mel Robbins (00:54:07):

That's insane.

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:54:08):

There are thousands and thousands and thousands of people like that who

 

Mel Robbins (00:54:12):

You know what I love about you and your research, I'm just really getting this now that we are in part two of this series, is that we've been thinking about food in the wrong way. When I think about friends that have allergies, you think about allergy because you swell or you itch or your neck swells, you're actually saying that same crap is happening in your brain.

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:54:35):

Yes,

 

Mel Robbins (00:54:35):

Of course it is. And that's causing you to be anxious. And so think about sensitivity to food and the way that your body can't really metabolize it as affecting absolutely everything, but especially that thing between your ears, that is the conductor for your entire life, that it is swelling because of it. It is misfiring because of it. And so starting with an elimination diet would be revelatory in terms of what you might discover about how you feel.

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:55:06):

Yes. And for most people, it's a big ask. An elimination diet is not easy depending on how many things you're going to eliminate, what you're going to do. But for most people, they can figure it out within about two weeks. So if you eliminate a wide range of foods over two weeks, and there are some classic ones, gluten, some people are sensitive to dairy, other people might be sensitive to soy,

 

Mel Robbins (00:55:33):

Sugar,

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:55:34):

Sugar, some people can be sensitive to artificial dyes and sweeteners and other things. So if you go with a whole 30 kind of diet or something else that's going to eliminate a lot of those types of foods,

 

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And you give it two weeks, if you notice dramatic improvement in your brain function, now you've got a little bit of a project on your hands, and now you have to figure out what exactly am I sensitive to? Because you're probably not sensitive to all of it, and you want to come up with the least restrictive, most fun, easy diet to do. So you want to really try to see, can I zero in, can I add some of these foods back? And as you're adding those foods back, you're really paying attention to the brain symptoms to see, am I getting worse? Are things coming back? And if symptoms are coming back when you add back gluten, then you know, okay, gluten was it, and maybe I would do better with a gluten-free diet. If you don't want to do an elimination diet or if an elimination diet doesn't necessarily tell you what you want to know or doesn't give you the symptoms, higher protein, lower carbohydrate, sticking primarily with whole real foods more than you normally do.

 

Mel Robbins (00:56:51):

What I'm hearing is I'm hearing chicken cutlets, not chicken nuggets for all you moms and dads out

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:56:56):

There. Absolutely. A lot of people will notice significant benefit. And I would give that probably at least a month. Give it a month, see if it makes a difference. If it doesn't make a difference, don't keep doing it. I'm not asking people to make sacrifices with no clear return on investment.

 

Mel Robbins (00:57:15):

Well, what's interesting about when this episode is releasing is we're going to be in the middle of dry January, and you may be listening to this at an entirely different time of year, but you will have had experiences in your life where you go without drinking for a period of time or you go without gluten for a period of time. But if you're listening to this and you're in the middle of dry January and you're having that experience where you're like, oh my God, I removed alcohol and I sleep better and I'm more focused and I have more energy, and maybe this is a really good thing for me to just continue doing this. This is exactly what you're saying, that your metabolism is 100% driven by what you eat, what you drink, whether or not you exercise, whether or not you are on screens or getting connection and what your sleep is like. And when you improve those things, your metabolism improves. And what you're also saying is, so does your ADHD.

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:58:09):

Yes.

 

Mel Robbins (00:58:10):

So does dyslexia does a bazillion other things in your life?

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:58:16):

Yes.

 

Mel Robbins (00:58:17):

Is there a form of exercise that's better than another in terms of your metabolism?

Mel Robbins (00:58:48):

And can I be honest about some, if you already are not exercising enough, you are likely not going to exercise enough to bulk up and have the neck of a weightlifter. So if you can just get your butt to the gym three days a week like Dr. Gabrielle Lyons was on our show and start doing some resistance training, you're going to win.

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (00:59:09):

You are. And to quote one of my male friends speaking to women who are afraid that they're going to get too big, he said, do you know how hard men have to work to try to get just even a little bit of extra muscle? 

Mel Robbins (00:59:47):

I think I've heard David Goggins talking about this. This is like the light jog where you can hold a conversation. I mean, I would not be able to do that for a city block, but that's kind of what a zone two is, right? Yes. That you're kind of elevated heart rate, but you're not.

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (01:00:03):

Yes, not out of breath. You can still have a conversation.

 

Mel Robbins (01:00:08):

Hiking would be an example of that for me.

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (01:00:10):

It could be hiking, it could be cycling, it can be swimming. There are lots of options, many options for zone two cardio. But both of those will improve metabolic health, mitochondrial health, and then reducing substance use. So if you are on substances that are impairing your metabolism, please cut down or stop. So that includes things like alcohol, it includes marijuana. I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade. Everybody loves marijuana these days. It's legal. It is not good for your brain health. It's not good for your metabolic health. If somebody's on psychiatric medications even that are causing weight gain, those might be working against you over the long run. So trying to think of strategies to slowly but surely get off those substances. Smoking vaping, absolutely not good for you.

 

Mel Robbins (01:01:05):

What final thing do you want to say, Dr. Palmer, to somebody who's listening, and this is all a little overwhelming, but also there's some hope here.

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (01:01:21):

The great news is that most people can see dramatic improvement with those basic simple steps that you just outlined. So the overwhelming majority of your listeners, if they do that, they're going to notice dramatic improvements. Not everyone will, because there are some people who have more complex conditions, infection, leading to chronic inflammation that may need a different treatment strategy or a more sophisticated treatment strategy. And what I'm here to say to those people is, please don't give up. That if you learn this science, if you understand the general framework and the general principles, I am convinced we can help the overwhelming majority of people heal and recover from neurodivergence kind of conditions, from what we call mental illness, the five mental disorders, that most of those things are in fact treatable and that we can help people heal and recover and live better lives. So if a woman comes to me and she's got obesity and type two diabetes and some symptoms of heart disease, and she's got polycystic ovary syndrome and she's got fatty liver disease,

 

Mel Robbins (01:02:45):

It sounds like she's about to die.

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (01:02:47):

Sounds like she's about to die.

 

Mel Robbins (01:02:48):

That sounds like a lot.

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (01:02:49):

But one comprehensive lifestyle strategy of diet, exercise, good sleep, stress reduction, get rid of toxic substances if she's a smoker, if we do all of those things, guess what? It's going to address all of them. At the same time, I don't need different pills for each of those conditions. I don't need different treatments for each of those conditions. And guess what else?

 

Mel Robbins (01:03:20):

Tell

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (01:03:20):

Me. If she also has depression and ADHD at the same time that she's got all of those things, if I help her effectively implement lifestyle strategies that help her begin to improve her metabolic health, I can almost guarantee you she's going to say, wow, I feel so much better. My brain is functioning better. I'm more positive. And everybody's going to dismiss it. They're going to dismiss it and say, well, she just feels better losing a little weight and it's psychological. And what I'm going to say is no, it is not psychological. It is biological. Her biology is changing. We are improving her metabolism, and that is improving her brain function. And it is not trivial. We should not dismiss it. We should not think that these are light woo interventions. These are serious interventions for serious health conditions that jeopardize people's lives, and they also impact people's brain function, which impacts whether people are happy and healthy and thriving.

 

Mel Robbins (01:04:34):

Dr. Palmer, you're the best. Where were you 30 years ago when I needed you? No, I'm just kidding. You're here now and we are grateful that you're here

 

Dr. Chris Palmer (01:04:42):

Now. Thank you, Mel, for having me.

 

Mel Robbins (01:04:46):

Oh, I just love Dr. Palmer. I love how positive he is. I kind of feel more focused. I feel like I know what to do. I really appreciate being somebody that's often distracted that the information's very simple. So thank you, thank you. Thank you, Dr. Palmer for taking the time. And thank you. Thank you for taking the time to listen to something that could truly change your life or the life of somebody that you love. And on that note, share, this is coming to you at zero cost. Please be generous and share this on social media. Share it with absolutely anyone who you think can benefit from it. And I'm going to tell you something I don't know about you, but when I try to tell my kids or my family and my husband to take this advice. Hey, I just heard this thing. They don't listen to me.

 

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I know that may surprise you, but my family doesn't listen to me. Just like your family doesn't listen to you. But I'll tell you something. When I share an episode like this and they hear it straight from somebody like Dr. Palmer, it makes a real difference, especially when it comes to those lifestyle changes that people can be really resistant to making. And so, thank you, thank you, thank you for using this as a resource to help somebody else that you love change. And one more thing, in case no one else tells you this today, let me be the one to say, I love you and I believe in you, and I believe in your ability to create a better life. And you know what else I believe? I believe that absolutely everything that Dr. Palmer just explained to you can help you do it. Alrighty, I'll talk to you in a few days and I want to tell you I love you.

 

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